Is it a coincidence that both Edward Gein and Josef Fritzl had abusive mothers?
On Edward Gein’s mother:
"Augusta, a fanatically religious woman, was determined to raise the boys according to her strict moral code. Sinners inhabited Augusta’s world and she instilled in her boys the teachings of the Bible on a daily basis. She repeatedly warned her sons of the immorality and looseness of women, hoping to discourage any sexual desires the boys might have had, for fear of them being cast down into hell.
Augusta was a domineering and hard woman who believed her views of the world were absolute and true. She had no difficulty forcefully imposing her beliefs on her sons and husband."
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/gein/begin_2.html
On Josef Fritzl’s mother:
"Josef Fritzl, the Austrian accused of raping and imprisoning his daughter, kept his ailing mother locked in an attic room with bricked-up windows until her death, according to leaked court reports.
The Austrian newspapers Kronen Zeitung and Österreich have published accounts of Fritzl’s interviews with a forensic psychiatrist in which he says he incarcerated his mother - who he blames for his actions - in the attic of her own house shortly before he locked up his daughter.
The retired engineer and property developer said it was revenge for the abuse he claims she inflicted upon him.
This week, Austrian newspapers reported Fritzl describing how his abusive relationship with his mother fed his life as a rapist.
"She never showed me any love, she beat me and kicked me until I was on the floor and bleeding," he said. "I felt so weak and humiliated. I never got a kiss from her or even a hug although I tried very hard to please her. The only thing she did with me was go to church.
"She beat me and kicked me until I was lying on the floor bleeding. I had a horrible fear from her. She kept insulting me and told me I was a Satan, a criminal, a no-good.""
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/31/joseffritzl-austria
This question was inspired by the clique of GWS users who got me suspended. 
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February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Yeah I had a fbi piece on that, something about 46% of serial rapists and killers having abusive mothers but I was unable to find it again….
it makes perfect sense really…
we could argue that feminism in its protecting of female abusers contributing to the problem.
I wonder how things would be if erin prizzy were left alone to get on with it..
Meat wasn’t JDs mother a religious nut, she was controlling..
the abuse doesn’t have to be physical
"This question was inspired by the clique of GWS users who got me suspended"
Well Aycora I told you before…. you need to keep what you think to yourself and only publish opinions that are in sync with feminist dogma, otherwise you will lose your account.
Look at me, level 5, i have been reeducated and now Im progressing through the ranks….
Yes green6s thats why a holistic approace is needed, if there is a conection with dominneering mothers (which lets face it there probably it) it needs to be looked at objectivly even if the reality goes against the narrow feminist view on domestic abuse. We shouldn’t keep making excuses for female abuse in all its forms.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I know Josef Fritzl did, but I’m not for sure about Ed. I suspect you are right
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I think its pretty commonly known that when children are abused they have a higher likelihood of mental instability and emotional problems later in life - which can subsequently lead to the commission of violent crime.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I don’t think it’s a coincidence, but Fritzl has probably exaggerated. He deserves no sympathy. His crime is the worst that I have ever heard of, he should be put to death.
let god deal with his soul.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Actually, a good portion of serial killers had overbearing/domineering mothers. I doubt it’s merely a coincidence.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
The reason why I am still half way sane is because I was reared by my grandma, may she rest in peace. She too was religious, but not like these nuts. If I had lived with my parents, who knows what institution I’d be locked in right now. And, yes, I know, they all "mean well"….
It’s very sad indeed.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Or that Marc Lepine (the man responsible for the Montreal Massacre) and Albert De Salvo (the Boston Strangler) were abused by their fathers?
No, I don’t think it’s a coincidence, most psychologists agree that horrible abuse by a caregiver, whether it be father, mother, or grandparent, can sometimes lead to violent, aggressive, and even homicidal behavior, given that there also exists a genetic predisposition to it.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Child abuse can manifest itself in numerous ways in adulthood. I’m confident there is a connection.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
all very interesting isn’t it? and then there are examples of serial killers coming from apparently normal non-abusive parents, like jeffrey dahmer and ted bundy.
but really, can we trust these killers to tell the truth about their upbringing?
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Is it also coincidental that their Mother’s insanity focused around Religion?
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I never buy any of this abuse leads to crime BS.
The only exception is when the victim kills their abuser/s, in those cases, I think it’s logical. For the ones who go on to perpetrate crimes against anyone else, I feel no sympathy. They’re no different from a criminal who was not abused.
I tend to actually support those who kill or harm their abusers in a lot of cases.
So many plead insanity and any other excuse to try and get a better deal, it makes my skin crawl.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I guess if those two swine can blame their dirty deeds on their mothers, it’s only fair the mothers can blame their meanness on their parents. Then the parents on their parents. On, and on to the stone age. Is anybody responsible for their actions anymore?
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Yes it’s a coincidence that they both happen to have abusive mothers.
It’s probably not a coincidence that both their mothers had a hand in how emotionally whacked out they became.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Sounds like the Church played a big role in the warped mentalities of the mothers and their deranged sons.
I’m sorry but sexual shame is simply a tool used to keep people in line. The Church, like all other power hierarchies, divides us from each other and from ourselves and it is done so on purpose. If we are whole then we need to priest or preacher to make us whole again. We know that we are made in the likeness and image of the Divine and we don’t question that.
Certainly individuals have varying levels of culpability in terms of how readily they accept and perpetuate the destructive patterns in which they are embedded, but it is also true that these women are a product of their society.
The truth is that most serial rapists and murderers have a morbid obsession with sex precisely because it is taboo.
I think of human sexuality sort of like one of those balloons that clowns use to twist up into different shapes. (Just hear me out.) You can compress the balloon her, and there, and there, and there too… but it always pops out over there, or over there… damn it! Then you get messed up people with weird fetishes and sometimes the need to dominate and humiliate others. If left to bloom naturally, human sexuality is minimally destructive and actually serves to not only create new life, but to bond people through shared intimacy.
Our bodies come from sex. Life itself comes from sex. To be ashamed of sex, to call it evil, is to be ashamed of life itself, to call God’s creation evil. In short, we’ve been fed BS. Some of us have been more willing to swallow it and to regurgitate it for our children. Others break free and learn to question the "Truth" a little more.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I don’t think it’s any coincidence if men who abuse women have had an abusive relationship with their mothers. I think the mother-son realtionship is absolutely crucial. To a young boy his mother represents "All women". I think that if he feels rejected by her then he might take out his anger on women in general.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Looks like it; by the way saw the movie on his life and the guy was barking mad. Yet, an ex boy friend says his mom thought he was a pretty nice guy; like you’d never knew he had lamp shades made out of human skin in his house.
February 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Severe child abuse, at the hand of either parent, can lead a child to develop serious mental illness later in life.
Extreme, dogmatic religious views reflect a paranoid world view, where "others" are seen as hostile, and are easily labeled as "evil" and "subhuman", so it is easier to justify doing harm to them.